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The creedal protectionist reading of Yoder

In some of the conversations about Craig Carter, the accuracy of his interpretation of Yoder has been called into question. Some of us have spoken of a “shift” in Carter’s theology, because many of us had read and enjoyed his book on Yoder. Now, Carter himself admits of such a shift, but one cannot help but wonder whether there are seeds of this shift in his earlier work. In a recent comment, Tim Kumfer helpfully observes that such a seed might be evident in Carter’s insistence on the orthodoxy of Yoder in his The Politics of the Cross: The Theology and Social Ethics of John Howard Yoder. I have been re-reading Carter’s book today, partially because I am in the middle of writing a chapter of my master’s thesis on Yoder, and partially because I apparently have all things Carter on my mind as of late.

In his introduction Carter I think rightly states that pacifism is “not the point” of Yoder’s theology, rather “Jesus is the point.” Carter, however, goes on to say that, “Not only is Jesus the point, but protecting, declaring, and unpacking the claims of classical Christology is what Yoder is about” (17). In contrast to the early Anabaptist theologians who did not have the leisure of developing a systematic theological account, according to Carter Yoder is “a thinker who is steeped in the writings of the church fathers and the Reformers, who has a firm grasp of the history of Christianity, and who has a deep respect for the creeds and historic Christian orthodoxy” (17). Now, certainly Yoder read deeply, but he is by no means uncritical of the “classical” tradition, even to the point of being critical of creedal tradition. Now, that is not say Yoder did not have a “deep respect” for the creeds, but he was decidely not overly concerned with “protecting, declaring, and unpacking” the Christology of classical orthodoxy especially if this meant abstracting from the particular narrative of Jesus of Nazareth. Yoder did think his Christology was in line with the creeds, but he certainly was not in the business of deriving his Christology from the creeds.  I think Alain Epp Weaver is correct in saying that “Yoder’s approach to Nicea and Chalcedon followed a two-pronged strategy of appealing to the creeds while simultaneously relativizing their centrality” (Weaver, “John Howard Yoder and the Creeds,” Mennonite Quarterly Review 74:3 (July 2000): 425). Carter states that the central thesis of his book is “the conviction that Yoder’s work shows us how the trinitarian and christological orthodoxy of the fourth and fifth centuries contains the key to the survival and flourishing of the church’s witness to Jesus Christ in the post-Christendom era that is now dawning” (23). I find it interesting that Carter thinks that such a “key” can be found in Yoder’s corpus. Yoder, in fact, was most centrally interested in rigorously maintaining that the “only normative point of orientation can and must be the Jesus of the New Testament witness” (Royal Priesthood, 191). In fact, for Yoder any other starting point was structurally sectarian. He states, “If I say I am committed to the authority of Jesus plus a particular church or of Jesus plus common sense or of Jesus plus my own best insights, or of Jesus plus a particular creedal heritage, that very addition of something extra is structurally sectarian” (Royal Priesthood, 191). Further, I find it odd that Carter would associate such commitment to the creedal tradition to the survival and flourishing of the church’s witness to Jesus Christ in a post-Christendom era. I think we begin to see “seeds” of Carter’s shift in his reading of Yoder here. I think the sort of protectionist mentality and survival mode of thinking that Carter reads in Yoder is really problematic. Such an approach seems to me to be the very antithesis of what Yoder’s nonviolent method and style was all about. Moreover, such a mentality seems to be at the heart of Carter’s conservatism, concerned as it is most fundamentally with the protection and survival of Christianity against the onslaughts of liberalism.

  1. May 7, 2009 at 11:05 pm | #1

    Do you think Carter’s creedalism somehow necessarily leads into his enclave-mentality, or does the enclave-mentality just give rise to a special protectionist understanding of the creeds’ importance? Or to ask the question more broadly, do you think it’s possible to insist that the creeds are normative without falling into some reprehensible (i.e., uncritical) form of conservatism? This is a question that’s been bugging me lately.

    I entirely agree with what you say (and what Epp Weaver says) about Yoder and the creeds, by the way. But I understand where Carter’s coming from in that book (and Mark Thiessen Nation, too, in some of the stuff he’s written). I find stories like the ones Denny Weaver likes to tell, about Yoder abandoning the creeds (or “ontological Christology”) entirely for some form of “narrative Christology,” annoying and inaccurate.

  2. May 7, 2009 at 11:25 pm | #2

    I thought I understood where Carter was coming from, but in light of Carter’s recent escapades, I am reconsidering his reading of Yoder on this point.

    To answer your first question, I’d say the latter is more true of Carter. His “enclave-mentality” gives rise to a protectionist understanding of creeds’ importance and this is what shapes his reading of Yoder.

    I agree with Epp Weaver’s reading of Yoder on this point. I am not so sure about Denny Weaver’s reading of Yoder. I’m still trying to sort Denny Weaver out.

    I think both Nathan Kerr and Daniel Barber actually point in more helpful directions on the question of Yoder’s christology. Remarking on Yoder’s use of classical christology, Barber writes, “Yoder is not so much making accidental these theological claims as he is refusing to make accidental the events that condition these claims.” See Barber, “The Particularity of Jesus and the Time of the Kingdom: Philosophy and Theology in Yoder” Modern Theology 23:1 (January 2007): 78.

    I certainly think that you can insist on the normative character of the creeds without “falling into some reprehensible (i.e. uncritical) form of conservatism.” But, with Yoder, I am not so sure that Anabaptist theologians should be fighting for the normative character of the creeds. Rather, I think Anabaptist theologians should be fighting for the normative character of Jesus of Nazareth.

    I am certainly sympathetic to more ecumenical readings of Yoder, but I don’t think that we do ourselves any favors when we interpret Yoder as a staunch protector of creedal Christianity.

  3. Hill
    May 8, 2009 at 7:56 pm | #3

    If Jesus Christ is the locus of normativity for Christians, is it not in some sense arbitrary to privilege the Christ of the New Testament over the Christ of the creeds? They are both thoroughly mediated at this point, but Protestants tend to be more comfortable with Biblical foundationalism rather than creedal foundationalism (both seem problematic in the same way). I’ve formulated this in some what crude terms, but the general thematic still perplexes me regarding the interpretation of Yoder.

  4. roger flyer
    May 8, 2009 at 11:06 pm | #4

    Pope or paper pope (bible or creeds).

    Who’s your daddy?

  5. May 9, 2009 at 12:15 pm | #5

    Hill,

    I certainly see your point. There is no doubt that we always encounter a “mediated” Christ. It seems to me that a search for an unmediated Jesus leads us down the path of the Jesus Seminar, which obviously doesn’t bear much fruit. In the end, I think the assumptions implicit in such a search are theologically problematic. To paraphrase Stanley Hauerwas, “Jesus didn’t come to leave us unchanged…it only makes sense that we see Jesus through the eyes of his followers.”

    That being said, we should be sensitive to the fact that the questions being asked at Nicea and Chalcedon, though not unimportant, are of a different character than the questions being asked in the first century. Yoder wants to make sure that when thinking through questions of dogma we never lose sight of the narrative, the life story of Jesus.

  6. May 11, 2009 at 10:03 am | #6

    Hill, while the problem you point to is a real one, it seems to me that one simple factor here is that the NT Scriptures have a level of hermeneutical proximity to the event of Jesus’s life that gives them a certain priority to subsequent formulations. At least I don’t see anything inherent in that notion that is problematic.

  7. Hill
    May 11, 2009 at 2:23 pm | #7

    I agree with you in that description. My point is that those Scriptures exist in a sea of noncanonical texts that claim the same level of hermeneutical proximity. The same discernment which led to the formulation of the canon is (or at least in theory could be) present in the formulation of the creeds, and both, at a minimum, depend on some concept of a sensus fidei that is secured by the Spirit (or is the Spirit, in some sense).

    So yes, the NT scriptures have level of hermeneutical proximity to the life of Christ that the creeds do not have. However, the formulators of the creeds have a level of hermeneutical proximity to the NT scriptures (and the life of Christ) that we do not have. So it thereby puts one in an awkward position to claim prior access to the scriptures as a strategy of relativizing the creeds.

  8. May 11, 2009 at 3:23 pm | #8

    I agree that scripture should not be a “strategy of relativizing the creeds.” If that’s what they’re being used for, then they’re being used wrongly.

    But, Yoder’s, and I think a responsible Protestant position would still not be incoherent in seeing, in Scripture, a way of approaching other elements of our Christian heritage that has some level of priority.

    Certainly I don’t expect you to affirm this, nor is it the only consistent or coherent way to think the relation between Scripture and creed. Only just to say that it isn’t inherently arbitrary or incoherent.

    But yes, it is awkward. And for the Radical Reformation tradition, I think striving for faithfulness within that sort of awkwardness is precisely the point.

  9. Craig Carter
    May 11, 2009 at 5:56 pm | #9

    R. O. Flyer,
    Good post. Thank you for reading me carefully. I have a post that responds to you over at my blog called “Yoder and the Creeds.”

  10. July 14, 2009 at 9:59 am | #10

    Thanks for this, RO. Carter’s thinking very wishfully if he wants to see Yoder as even quasi-creedal. Chris Huebner gets closer with his claim about the dialogical nature of Yoder’s work, which (while correct) brings up a whole lot of problems that Huebner’s work sees as promising.

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